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    Posted: 31 July 2010 at 6:59am
                                                                                                                                           
 
One of Schumacher's best rc's. The Schumacher Menace. 1/10 scale / 4wd  / .21 Thunder Tiger / 3 speed auto
       I have spent very many hours and years with the Menace only to say it is one of the finest's rc's around.
 
                                                                                                Comin at you
 
  

 Crazy mod power
 
 
A constant runner. One of the most reliable 4wd drivetrains ever. The Menace keeps runnin and runnin
 
 
Early Menace years - in the beginning
 
 
It floats !
 

 restoring Menace's




Schumacher Menace all around model pics -
 
Menace
 
 
front end purple aluminium
 
 
Purple shock
 
 
purple post holder
 
 
 
 
 
Purple Alloy Diff Mount
 
 
shock cap
 
 
front suspension
 
 
front purple suspension arms
 
 
.21 Thunder Tiger
 
 
topview suspension
 
 
Alloy Purple Suspension Mount
 
 
purple gear cover protector
 
 
purple fuel filter
 
 
rear tire / rim
 
 
high bite tire
 
 
Schumacher Menace Diagram
 
 
2nd look of a fairly stock Menace
 
 
Alloy front hub / Purple Alloy Yoke
 
 
topview engine head
 
 
3 speed auto
 
 
chrome rime
 
 
Menace
 
 
EZ - start
 
 
fuel tank
 
 
front end tower / shocks
 
 
topview shock tower
 
 
back end
 
 
Alloy Wishbones
 
 
engine / muffler
 
 
.21 Thunder Tiger engine head
 
 
overview Menace
 
 
 bottom of chassis
 
 
Menace body
 
 
side rear
 
 
back end
 

 
3 Speed Auto
 
 
 
 
Bad gear / good gear
 
Menace story - After a year's worth of running everyday and many engines gone thru finally the first gear went out. Pretty amazing. This Menace went thru all kinds of dirt conditions even in the desert. Schumacher gave the Menace a very tough reliable 3 speed auto.
 
 
stripped gear
 
 
it all started with a broken tooth then shortly the domino effect happened
 
 
just a little cleaning is all that's needed
 

Menace roosters - Large clouds and billows of dust - The power of the .21 Thunder Tiger
 

Street Menace - with venom tires
 
 
 
 
High Speed Flyin !
 
 
Speed runs
 
 
A menace can get away from you fast
 
 
4wd street Racer
 
 
and away she goes
 
  
 
Misc Menace section - fixes, crashs, replacing etc
 
diff servicing
 
 
front diff taken out for servicing
 
 
time to clean the crude out
 
 
everything is to be cleaned
 


from a bad crash

 
gear set colors - white 3 speed gear set
 
 
gears set colors - black 3 speed gear set
 
 
hard day of runnin
 
 
Crash !
 
 
rear arm broken
 
 
busted ! time to fix
 
 
time to put alloy arms on
 
 
brace
 
 
putting together
 
 
torx screw
 
 
 
one alloy arm one stock arm
 
 
change both arms to alloy or change one arm to alloy till the stock one breaks
 


Engine Rebuild















taking the sleeve out




crank





                                          on start - up



.28 Axial Engine
 
one powerful engine for the Menace
 
Question is - can you handle this much power ?
 
 THE GREEN HEAD
 
 
axial carb
 
 
the Axial is so powerful it just rips those tires apart like nothing
 

tires gone



The Power is MADNESS !
 
 
if you thought the Thunder was powerful the Axial is utter craziness !
 
 
The power is anywhere on throttle
 

Extreme Torq
 

Donut King !
 
 
The BRUTE STRENGTH POWER of the Axial is so immense that the tires are hard to keep on the Menace with the Axail .28 in it. I can honestly say the Menace's drivetrain has been trouble free with the Axial .28 in it.
 
 
 

 
 
 
Testing the Menace
 
I spend very many hours testing the rc's everyday, Making sure there runnin in top condition. I do this to all the rc's.
 
 
 
 
hitting 3rd gear in no time !
 
 
Fast ! very Fast !
 
 
in complete control with 4wd
 
 
some drifting moments
 
 
just skimmed over that rock
 
 
The Rc's go thru lots of this a week
 
 
I love the dust, looks awesome
 
 
even looks good without the body
 
 
I see the wheel & the antenna
 
 
runnin perfect, good tune, superb idle - everything good
 
 
straight line passes are important it's a good indication of how well your engine is running
 
 
this Rc is perfect in so many ways
 
 

 



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                                     Restoring Menace's

I restore Menace's that are really in a bad state. Some abused to the point I care not to mention here. Gutted, maimed, abandoned you named it.

 In sad shape


slowly coming back to life



time and patience



can't forget the electronics



coming together



getting there



Bringing back Menace's to life

like many others, here's 2 Menace's that were restored back to life








Purple Menace Shots





 

 



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Menace Check

check the carb - any dirt clean it out. The Thunder Tiger can last a long time without any debris going in the engine.




check throttle / brake - make adjustments if necessary




check the layshaft







check the fuel tank - are you losing fuel ?




clean the fuel tank it while it's out




now that you checked it - is there any cracks ?




check diff & belt



clean out the debris






remove the diff & layshaft mount set



diff coming out





now that the diff is fully out check overall condition



clean out and check teeth



clean / check 3 speed gears




check every tooth of every gear




This is just a few things to check when your servicing your Menace










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check out on youtube - elvenwizard12 for menace and XTR'3e video's

better yet subscribe to me for future video's


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Nice!

I really need to get mine out working again, hopefully with the weather
improving I will be able to!

Looking good with the desert pics, I wish I had that much land to play
with...!
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The Menace is a awesome Rc. Still today nothing like it. Even in the desert the Menace can handle it thanks to it's 4wd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzUG2KMsi7E
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Hmmm im so tempted to upgrade to a Axial engine, is there much difference between a:

Axial AX0331 .28RR Spec 2 Black Head     to a:

Axial AX0320 1/8 Nitro .28 Spec 2S Green Head

Need to get a decent set of tyres for mine now, only good for tarmac, think im mostly going to be using it on grass...

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I use Proline Speed Paws with 2-stage foams - great for grass and off-road.
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 The Axial AX0331 .28RR absolutlety screams. It's 1500 more RPM than the Axial AX0320 1/8 Nitro .28 Spec 2S. Either engine is more than enough power to make the Menace into a Super Menace. Watch my video's on youtube about the pipe conversion, with all these power combinations you can't go wrong. Here's my link in 1080p - http://www.youtube.com/user/elvenwizard12#p/u/51/DGBDLtDrtJM

Here's the Super Menace running with the stock pipe. With the pipe conversion it made the Super Menace into a Super "Xtreme" Menace !

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Don't forget the .28 found in the Havoc - same way to start the engine.  It's not bad for what it is.
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Originally posted by elven wizard elven wizard wrote:

 The Axial AX0331 .28RR absolutlety screams. It's 1500 more RPM than the Axial AX0320 1/8 Nitro .28 Spec 2S. Either engine is more than enough power to make the Menace into a Super Menace. Watch my video's on youtube about the pipe conversion, with all these power combinations you can't go wrong. Here's my link in 1080p - http://www.youtube.com/user/elvenwizard12#p/u/51/DGBDLtDrtJM

Here's the Super Menace running with the stock pipe. With the pipe conversion it made the Super Menace into a Super "Xtreme" Menace !

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http://www.youtube.com/user/elvenwizard12#p/u/68/zWzlyVYPk_Y

Cool videos, what tyres have you got on the Axial Menace and also what muffler/silencer is it youve put on to give it more power?

Gaz

 

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Dirt Paw 2.2 This is what you want.

These tires will tear up everything in it's path !

 

The header doesn't have a name on it. There a few out there just like this one It came from 2 boxes full of headers I have. It took alot of testing and fitting of header's to finally find this right one. So look at the video in the closely and find one just like the one I have. ( the same size if possible ) Also there are so many muffler's out there. Get the best one ! This one here is a Werks pipe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkR_4FF824 - in 1080p

This exhaust set up is very tough and reliable after many roll overs. As if it was made to be on there from the beginning. Totally reliable !



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Looking at the Axial engines still, im thinking this one would possible be too powerful for the standard clutch and diffs, and be ridiculous to control?

Axial 32RR-1 Nitro Engine AX0332 1/8 .32 RR-1

http://www.axialracing.com/ftp/ax0332_32rr-1_engine.html

Menace 4x4 .32  

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The .32 rr-1 would be really pushing it. Especially on the pavement. Run that with dirt paws on the dirt. Just have a couple of diffs on hand. The .28 wakes up the beast in the Menace but the .32 would be just
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I dont know that much technical info on nitro engines, are the cranks the same measurements? i.e where the clutch bell fits, noticed on the Axial engines theres a brass tapered collet, am i right in thinking you take this collet off and the schumacher clutch bell fits on?

And last of all the exhaust manifold is it a standard size? menace header pipe fit all nitro engines, with a round exhaust port?

 

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A .32?!  I question your sanity sunshine...

It's bonkers enough with the .21 (when tuned right).  I'm surprised to be honest that no-one ever fitted a .25/.26 before jumping to the .28's though.  A .32 is probably a step too far; the drivetrain is nowhere near as tough as say a monster or 1/8 buggy.  I think you'd spend all your time replacing chewed gears.  They are plastic don't forget.  Possibly the diffs and the occasional belt too.  I have a .32 fitted to my monster and the torque is too much sometimes for metal bells and spurs.  Besides, when you are going up to blocks that size, you're probably going to start losing top-end too; I think a rough rule of thumb is the bigger the displacement, the less the active rev-range.  Your best bet is probably to go .28 max, or buy a new TT .21 and then spend a bit more on getting it ported & polished or some other mods.  I read on here ages ago that RBMods and a couple of the other top modder companies say that the TT has great tuning potential.

If you DO shoehorn a .32 into it though, be sure to get some videos up on here for us!

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Originally posted by britishrallying britishrallying wrote:

I dont know that much technical info on nitro engines, are the cranks the same measurements? i.e where the clutch bell fits, noticed on the Axial engines theres a brass tapered collet, am i right in thinking you take this collet off and the schumacher clutch bell fits on?

And last of all the exhaust manifold is it a standard size? menace header pipe fit all nitro engines, with a round exhaust port?

The cranks may be a little bit longer.  I remember that from fitting the .32 in place of the .27 on my MT.  I had to mill the engine mount plate holes so the engine could slide further back.  The brass collets I think need to stay; you could possibly use a better clutch with the Menace bell, but you will need the collets to mount which ever flywheel you use.  And yes, the exhaust outlets are the same size, but you will definitely need to change your tuned pipe for a dedicated big-block pipe; if you stick a .21 pipe onto a .32 engine you will likely have tuning issues.  The same pipe on a .28 you might get away with, but not for definite.  Ask MaxD what pipe he uses with his .28 conversion for a straight, been-there-done-that answer.

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Originally posted by Paul M Paul M wrote:

The cranks may be a little bit longer.  I remember that from fitting the .32 in place of the .27 on my MT.  I had to mill the engine mount plate holes so the engine could slide further back.  The brass collets I think need to stay; you could possibly use a better clutch with the Menace bell, but you will need the collets to mount which ever flywheel you use.  And yes, the exhaust outlets are the same size, but you will definitely need to change your tuned pipe for a dedicated big-block pipe; if you stick a .21 pipe onto a .32 engine you will likely have tuning issues.  The same pipe on a .28 you might get away with, but not for definite.  Ask MaxD what pipe he uses with his .28 conversion for a straight, been-there-done-that answer.

Cheers Paul, think I probably will only upgrade to a .28 at some point. Would like to try and get a .32 running in a menace, project for the future, have to make quite a few custom parts on the lathe!!.

Happy to get the .21 running right first though, thanks for the info, most appreciated..

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Not a problem mate. 
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Right on. Paul gave you the right answers. I would take it into steps before jumping to the .32 You will find the .28 axial is a wonderful engine for the Menace. It just screams. You get addicted peeling out like crazy. The power is so awesome. You light up the wheels like nothing !

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